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Dragon Half [Dual-Duality]  Multiaudio

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download file sfv [Dual-Duality] Dragon Half v3.sfv 0.25 KB
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bakakid

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 27 days)
» TheProfileth
» bakakid
» TheProfileth
I am almost done with my script for my v2, here are some comparison shots
please excuse the bottom 4 pixels I am still inside of AVSP.
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/46869
Edit: I also have the SRT's done so I will use those aswell as the VOBSUBS


Um... the new encode looks very washed out, with the bright/contrast jacked up. I am assuming this is just you messing around with the smoothing, but you need to turn it down or use another filter *prays that Deen() is not responsible for this*

lol Hey clueless that is an OLDER script please use the newer ones, oh I don't know the ones I POSTED RIGHT ABOVE YOU!!!


See, this is why I shouldn't be allowed to look at bbt at 12am Y_Y Please ignore my idiocy...

» TheProfileth
Comparison Shots for A-T and Dual in a second hold on
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/47096


Josh likee...
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macros74Donator (Obtainer of Ye Olden Anime)

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 27 days)
Would it be that hard to extract and use the .srt subtitles from the A-T release, perhaps it would only require some retiming?

Can you add related links to the manga and the OST?

Perhaps place one screen with subtitles showing, so as to see the styling of your VobSubs?
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 27 days)
» macros74
Would it be that hard to extract and use the .srt subtitles from the A-T release, perhaps it would only require some retiming?

Can you add related links to the manga and the OST?

Perhaps place one screen with subtitles showing, so as to see the styling of your VobSubs?

Probably because that encode is at 24fps and this is 25 and here
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4498774599_331d8d1ae4_o.png
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dragon191

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 27 days)
» TheProfileth
» dragon191
If they remaster it, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't use weird linedarkening. If you're filtering it and can keep a look that looks natural it's okay. But filtering the lines overly dark just look unnatural, not to mention that these filters aren't perfect and are missing parts of lines. :x

First off I am sorry to say but I could care less about the initial quality or the creators intentions or anything like that. I just want my encode to LOOK GOOD!
You can go ahead and encode yourself something that you think is RIGHT, lol and do not say that is some crazy idea, I just started encoding 2-3 weeks ago.

» OnDeed
Given that it's a PAL source, I'm pretty sure it is a field-blending standard conversion and not much can be done. Than again, more than a few older NTSC discs are field-blended too...

PS: About the encode: you are simply overfiltering, your Slayers encodes suffer from that too. With these imperfect sources, you have to be pretty careful to preserve the remaining detail (including the geometry of faces and such, I'm speaking about warpsharp). Ramping up contrast or brightness might look cool to a newb eye, but it just kills details in bright/dark areas, makes it look hard, unpleasant etc. People generaly fall into that trap though. Contrast boost always feels nice at first, even at really horrible amounts. But encoder should be able to realize when is a good time for "improvement" attempts (don't take it personaly, but I don't find yours successful), and when not.

Also, since you proposed to first apply color boost and then having it reduced on playback... you should know that this processing is lossy. Color/brightness values effectively have range of about 225 degrees only. If you start messing with it, it can't be succesfuly reversed, and the same stands for sharpening and line-darkening (and etc).

LOL You obviously have not seen the Slayer's source, you want to see detail and quality look no further
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4451357804_66177eb704_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/4450586939_55c9ff2c20_o.png
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4027/4450586649_b1b44d28fb_o.png
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4451359254_9189221854_o.png
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4450587613_fba86f6245_o.png
the truth is the source is so bad that there is no point is maintaining any sort style or however you want to put it that you guys want.
Plus I really did not lose any details if you want a direct comparison
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/47084
the only slight difference is the cracks in the ground are slightly smaller.
About the last part, that was more to make fun of those people who tell me to raise the color than an actual suggestion.
I am  going to re-encode Slayers, this time to try and exercise it and stop it from being haunted by ghosts.
Either way, again bitch all you want. I have finished the V2's and am getting ready to swap them in after i take screens.


Encoding Lesson 1: A garbage video will look like garbage even if you throw your fake garbage sharpening filters in. I believe you should have some respect for the original animation. You are just encoding for a few weeks and think everything should have uber-dark and cool sharp lines and whatnot. The lines stand out way too much compared to the backgrounds. Also, you can try whatever you want with slayers, but you'll still have ghosts because they are field-blended.

Franky, if companies released their anime like this, I'd puke at their releases. Stop thinking that you can magically improve suck-sources to "amazing" encodes.
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OnDeed

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
Well, I guess nothing can be about your taste.

About your description: the episode count is wrong, and the anime was released in 1993. Also, you should replace the "R2" under source with R2 PAL. The reson for that? R2 is in anime circles expected to mean R2 NTSC (also sometimes R2J, original japanese DVD), which can generaly be expected to have superior video quality and hence R2 is something like a guarantee of better potential. European PAL discs on the other hand are generaly frown upon, since they underwent norm-conversion, usually in that terrible way your source shows - through field blending. Also, they often seem to get even less care and attention during authoring than R1 DVDs. I think that there is a clear consensus that R2 PAL < R1.
In short, the R2 tag is deceiving in this case...

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TakeshiDonator

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
» TheProfileth
Probably because that encode is at 24fps and this is 25 and here
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4498774599_331d8d1ae4_o.png

Isn't that quite easy to fix? I recall seeing an option that could do that in SubRip; change a script from 23 fps to 24 or 25.

I must say that the new screenshots looks much better, I'd watch this encode. I am of course not seeing it in action so there could be more to be done.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 7th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
» dragon191
Encoding Lesson 1: A garbage video will look like garbage even if you throw your fake garbage sharpening filters in. I believe you should have some respect for the original animation. You are just encoding for a few weeks and think everything should have uber-dark and cool sharp lines and whatnot. The lines stand out way too much compared to the backgrounds. Also, you can try whatever you want with slayers, but you'll still have ghosts because they are field-blended.

Franky, if companies released their anime like this, I'd puke at their releases. Stop thinking that you can magically improve suck-sources to "amazing" encodes.

Well I am glad that you have such a positive approach to encoding  :lol:
Yes I am going to reencode Slayers to kill the ghosting, I also am going to improve it in other ways but either way it looks alot better than the source, or atleast I think it does and in the end that is what matters to me, how I feel about the encode.
» OnDeed
Well, I guess nothing can be about your taste.

About your description: the episode count is wrong, and the anime was released in 1993. Also, you should replace the "R2" under source with R2 PAL. The reson for that? R2 is in anime circles expected to mean R2 NTSC (also sometimes R2J, original japanese DVD), which can generaly be expected to have superior video quality and hence R2 is something like a guarantee of better potential. European PAL discs on the other hand are generaly frown upon, since they underwent norm-conversion, usually in that terrible way your source shows - through field blending. Also, they often seem to get even less care and attention during authoring than R1 DVDs. I think that there is a clear consensus that R2 PAL < R1.
In short, the R2 tag is deceiving in this case...



Ok thanks for the agreeing to disagree, and for catching those mistakes.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
Hmm I am quite surprised by the lack of mod feedback or comments
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dragon191

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
» TheProfileth
Hmm I am quite surprised by the lack of mod feedback or comments


Considering the comments you've made yourself, I believe it would be rather pointless for many people to comment.
It would be better if you just ripped the show from an NTSC disc.
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BloodySin

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 26 days)
» TheProfileth
it looks alot better than the source

I'm pretty sure that bit sums up the problem people (I included) have with your encodes.

While BBT gets it's fair share of casual anime watchers, it's mainly a place aimed at cattering to collectors. Collectors by essence want the real, original thing. In the case of encoded anime, that means as close as possible to the original material.

The moment you make it "better" than the source, from a collector's point of view, you plain and simply fucked up.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 25 days)
» BloodySin
» TheProfileth
it looks alot better than the source

I'm pretty sure that bit sums up the problem people (I included) have with your encodes.

While BBT gets it's fair share of casual anime watchers, it's mainly a place aimed at cattering to collectors. Collectors by essence want the real, original thing. In the case of encoded anime, that means as close as possible to the original material.

The moment you make it "better" than the source, from a collector's point of view, you plain and simply fucked up.

Well that is not what those other ENCODERS said is it?
» OZC
Indeed, the v2 encode is much better. Well done Pro. :)

» THEAST
Wow, the new encode looks much better, great job mate.  ;-)

THEAST,OZC? Do they both know NOTHING? Or are you implying that because I have a different point of view on anime than you that I am wrong.
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Al_Sleeper (Mr. "Never Satisfied")

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 25 days)
There is a BIG difference between 'removing noise' and 'removing all noise, and all small details with it'. v2 looks MUCH better.
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dragon191

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 25 days)
» TheProfileth
» BloodySin
» TheProfileth
it looks alot better than the source

I'm pretty sure that bit sums up the problem people (I included) have with your encodes.

While BBT gets it's fair share of casual anime watchers, it's mainly a place aimed at cattering to collectors. Collectors by essence want the real, original thing. In the case of encoded anime, that means as close as possible to the original material.

The moment you make it "better" than the source, from a collector's point of view, you plain and simply fucked up.

Well that is not what those other ENCODERS said is it?
» OZC
Indeed, the v2 encode is much better. Well done Pro. :)

» THEAST
Wow, the new encode looks much better, great job mate.  ;-)

THEAST,OZC? Do they both know NOTHING? Or are you implying that because I have a different point of view on anime than you that I am wrong.


Are you implying that you are right?!
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OZC (OZC Anime Staff)

April 8th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 25 days)
Pro, I never said the encode was perfect, only that it was certainly superior to the original offer. I don't think anyone, even the people who still don't like the current encode, will disagree that the v2 IS superior to the original offer you made. That's not to say that I don't think there are still improvements to be made.

BloodySin's got the right idea. The argument that you are making it better, and trying to justify it by saying that "how do we know the  creators wouldn't have wanted it that way?" is an unreasonable argument. The burden of proof is on you to prove they wanted it that way, because the other side of the coin is, if they wanted it that way, why wasn't it produced that way to begin with? I understand your personal tastes are key, but that's true both for the encoder and downloader. The difference is that the majority of downloaders want, again as BloodySin said, something as close to the original material as possible. Improvements like deinterlacing are great, but that's a fix that I believe most people would consider purely beneficial in most cases. Altering the color profile is not necessarily beneficial.

I won't sit here and say I haven't color corrected things before, but the difference is that I can prove that there was an error with the source. Case in point, 08th MS Team. If you compare the regular OP in the remastered versions to the clean OP, the clean OP, for whatever reason, is slightly desaturated. A side by side comparison can prove this. So, for the translated OP, since I rely on the clean OP for that, the logical choice was to adjust the saturation. It's not a perfect fix, but this was a fix to bring it back in line with the actual OP used in the episodes.

No one is saying that you can't sharpen up the picture, but instead are asking that you do it in a way that keep the color profile the same while improving the picture quality, without introducing artifacts or washing out detail.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 9th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 25 days)
» dragon191
» TheProfileth
» BloodySin
» TheProfileth
it looks alot better than the source

I'm pretty sure that bit sums up the problem people (I included) have with your encodes.

While BBT gets it's fair share of casual anime watchers, it's mainly a place aimed at cattering to collectors. Collectors by essence want the real, original thing. In the case of encoded anime, that means as close as possible to the original material.

The moment you make it "better" than the source, from a collector's point of view, you plain and simply fucked up.

Well that is not what those other ENCODERS said is it?
» OZC
Indeed, the v2 encode is much better. Well done Pro. :)

» THEAST
Wow, the new encode looks much better, great job mate.  ;-)

THEAST,OZC? Do they both know NOTHING? Or are you implying that because I have a different point of view on anime than you that I am wrong.


Are you implying that you are right?!

Sure why not lol. What exactly am I right about?
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kureshii (Effort Counteractor)

April 10th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 23 days)
I think both THEAST and OZC mean that the v2 encode looks much better than the v1 encode. As for vs source... I don't know, I'll leave it to them to comment or to reserve judgement.

Mod comments from me:
1) v2 definitely looks better than v1.
2) Still can use less saturation.
3) No way this is going to replace A-T's.

We'll grant this, simply because it's the only viable h264 release (CoR's not being any better than A-T's, and AMF's being kinda hard to track down unless someone wants to post screens). It's probably pointless to convince you that it'll look better with less saturation, which is a real pity because this release is undeniably more detailed than A-T's, even if it's also oversaturated.

I don't think the plain source looks good either; it definitely can use some sharpening, and just a midge of saturation. However, applying too much sharpening and saturation only makes it look like a neon lightshow. I'm saying this for the Slayers encode as well, which is already shows haloing and slight oversaturation (which makes the vegetation look slightly bleached).

In short, if you want to encode for your own eyes, fine. But at this rate the most they will do on BakaBT is coexist with the xvid releases, not replace them.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 10th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 23 days)
» kureshii
In short, if you want to encode for your own eyes, fine. But at this rate the most they will do on BakaBT is coexist with the xvid releases, not replace them.

You say that like a bad thing  :lol:
Well I just hope everyone likes this encode as much as I did.

Also with the slayers encode
That was my first serious attempt at encoding. I am obviously going to go back and work on it as that is one of my main projects, the restoration of old anime is one of groups main goals.
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Aterial

April 10th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 23 days)
Does anyone else have problems with audio in episode two.  No matter which audio track I choose, it's the audio from episode one.  I've tried the most recent versions of VideoLAN and K-lite Codec Pack, and the problem occurs in both.
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Al_Sleeper (Mr. "Never Satisfied")

April 10th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 23 days)
+1
Wrong audio in Episode 2.
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TheProfileth (Dual-Duality Leader)

April 11th 2010 (4 years and 4 months and 23 days)
» Al_Sleeper
+1
Wrong audio in Episode 2.

Wait really?
A fuck I will fix that right away!
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